Johan is aiming
for the major league

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Currently he's the most sparkling diamond of Swedish film. He left home at fourteen and wonders what has become of his best friend.
Maria Lindén has met Johan Widerberg, the boy who wants to look older.

J ohan Widerberg has lie sleepless for a week. The reason is partly because he's jetlagged after his trip to Los Angeles, but mostly the sleeplessness is due to anxiety. Johan lies awake pondering what's
to come, after all the awards, after all the film festivals, after the Oscar nomination for the film "Lust och fägring stor" where he plays the lead role.
   Now a new period in Johan's life commences, when he has to prove himself. The next time he sets about working he knows that he has to have wound down enough from the "Lust och fägring" frenzy to be able to concentrate to the max and accomplish more than just being young and promising. His much-talked about low-key acting style with the ability to shine through the screen with an open, clean face mustn't get clouded. He has to show the world around him and himself that his intentions to, as he says in his typical sports metaphorical way, play in "the major league" are seriously meant and well-founded.
   The actor Johan Widerberg has received his biggest success and recognition with the film "Lust och fägring stor" where he, as mentioned, plays the lead role but also assisted his dad, mega director Bo Widerberg.
   Among the awards the film has got since its premiere in November last year are three Golden Beetles(* Swedish film award), the audience award at Gothenburg Film Festival, awards at Berlin Film Festival and like gold sprinkles on the cream - the Oscar nomination, in the category for "Best Foreign Language Film".
   At the moment, Johan and Bo are being talked about as a unit, but Johan is with his own luminosity unique in Swedish film on account of the extremely long list of merits for his age. Already as baby, he had parts in dad Bo's films. It's said that only Stellan Skarsgård had at the age of 22 played more parts than Johan.
   Johan's breakthrough came with the leading role in the TV series "Ebba och Didrik" when he was fourteen. Since then he's had parts in TV series like "Den frusna leoparden", Rapport till himlen", "Rosenbaum" and "Radioskugga". He's had a part in Stadsteatern's production of "An Inspector Calls" and he has a part in the upcoming film "Juloratoriet". When Johan was fourteen years old his dad left the family for a new woman. Johan broke off contact with Bo, left home and started working to get by - for example at a production company for commercials. With the film "Lust och fägring stor" father Bo and son Johan have reunited. And properly so. They travel together; they're best friends and plan to continue working together.
   I meet with Johan the day before the second trip to Los Angeles in one month. The first time he and dad Bo went to promote "Lust och fägring stor". Now they're going there for the Oscar nominations. Johan Widerberg seems remarkably calm during the interview, but through his girlfriend Amanda Rydman Ultra later learns that he's been jumping up and down on the bed the entire evening, instead of packing his bag. And what director Ulf Malmros said once: "Johan is an old man in a young man's body", doesn't seem to be entirely true.
   What do you think about the environment in Los Angeles"
   - Los Angeles has a really lousy reputation in Europe. I've been there three times, twice as a tourist, and now once to work. And I like it very much! I have the advantage of having been there with people who know the city and have friends there and then it's so much more fun. To just be dropped in that city has to be completely hopeless. You have no idea of where you're going. There's like no Times Square, no core at all. But I think it's a creative environment too. And there are many good people there, actually. Here, people talk a lot of crap about shallow people in USA in general and Los Angeles in particular. Of course there are shallow people there, but there are many with substance too.
   There seems to be a great professional skill gathered there.
   - Certainly. In my business, it's often there in Los Angeles where the best people end up for good and for bad. The major league is there. That's where the "major league" in film is.
   Do you want to be in the "major league"?
   - Anybody who does anything wants that. Again like in my damn sports metaphors; if you play soccer in Sweden, then you want to go to Italy, if you play on that kind of level. Every soccer player can more or less admit that the dream is to come to Italy. But for Swedes in film it's a bit nasty to say that you want to work in the States. Although I think that practically everybody has something pulling them there. Of course there is a lot of crap done there to, but the good films often get forgotten when you're generalising.
   Exactly how does the Oscar nomination feel today, the day before you're leaving?
   - I'll be damned if I know.

Johan on the hotel bed

   Do you think that the nomination suits you?
   - Well, first it's not me personally who's nominated, but the film. But I do have a rather big part in the making of it. I have been given a great deal through the environment I grew up in. I was in Los Angeles with my old man now, doing promotion for a week and I can understand those who completely lose all contact with reality. To come there and stay at the classic film star hotel Beverly Hills Hotel and do all those interviews. To suddenly be relatively close - even if it's not in the inner circle, you're at least quite close to the absolute centre of the film world when you come there and you're nominated.
   - I can understand those who go a little crazy and lose themselves in that. There I got a lot for free because of my upbringing. I got to travel a lot early on and experience film festivals and meet a lot of people. Because of that I have a distance to it. At the same time it's like happy hour. An Oscar nomination! I've always liked film a lot, especially American film. And then to be in a film that's going to be a part of it - that's goody.
   In some way it feels like you've been trained for this all your life. Kind of like a prince who's been raised from childhood into the role of king. One is not worried that you would embarrass yourself in that kind of situation, like for example making an acceptance speech at the Oscars.
   - I had a dog once. And then it was important that you early on brought it with you on the subway and on the bus. It was called social training; it is in the dog manual. The dog should according to the book meet children and ride the bus and it's exactly the same thing with me. That I got to come with everywhere.
   How does it really feel to have your own publicist in USA?
   - It's not that I have my own publicist. It's Nordic Film who are distributing the film abroad who've hired a publicist in Los Angeles to handle this PR week. That felt good. Again it was the enormous professional skill that you find in the United States. It's very cool to see from the inside how they work and how they relate to their jobs.

I 've got the idea that you are very much of a naysayer. Can you afford to be that in America too?
   - It didn't even occur to me to make a fuss and question whether the things I would take part in were serious. I was on an entertainment show called "Extra". I was out with a girl who's in the film "Clueless", where she plays a caricature of an American teenage girl type. The idea for the segment was that she would show me, the foreigner, the town. Then it was just like the segments you see sometimes, that we were in a shopping mall and I was going to buy shoes and then we went rollerblading on Santa Monica Beach. And it was really fun.
   But you wouldn't go rollerblading on "Adam"?
   - No!
   Why do you say no to so many things?
   - It's very simple. If you work as an actor you only have one face. If you work a lot, like I've had the opportunity to do and sit on every TV couch, then people get sick of you after twenty minutes. Just like I myself do when faces are used up. I don't have a need for being a celebrity in that way. There are people who become depressed if they can't read about themselves or see themselves on TV. There are cases where people have become really nuts when they've been public for a while and then it ends. It's a combination of me not wanting to sit there and it not being good. Then when you've done something that you want people to see it comes into a different light.

Johans back

   Often you look at the nouveau riche and think that they are vulgar. In the same way you can talk about the new famous people. Can you feel that new rich people are vulgar? Are you disgusted by them?
   - I read a lot of newspapers and watch a lot of TV and then I see the ones who do all those things that I don't want to do. But I still can't judge them. I don't think it's particularly good to look to deep into "Bindan's"(* Michael Bindefeldt, party planner for premieres and such) free drinks either. I don't think it's good. But then again there are people who go to all those parties and still are okay.
   You say that you've seen those who've lost it. What happened to them?
   - That's probably more of an American phenomenon, with the young who come forth. Those cases I haven't seen up close, but you hear a lot from informed sources. That star cult that they have there, causes something to happen to them, and it has to. Personally I can't understand it; that thing when you're supposed to treat people badly, we don't have that in Sweden. There's not really the soil for it.
   How have you been living since the premiere of "Lust och fägring stor" - in a suitcase?
   - First I worked in Gothenburg and commuted back and forth, then I was in New Zealand for a month and shot a film. Then there have been some film premieres in the Nordic countries and after that different film festivals. After that it was promotion in Los Angeles for a week, so there has been some travelling.
   Are you comfortable with it?
   - If you're in a relationship like I am then it's hard as hell. And it's always hardest on the one who's left behind. At the same time I myself love to travel. I'm very much a travel person. I like hotels and just to take the bus to Arlanda I find incredibly cosy.
   You said that you have been handed a lot because of your childhood, but you've worked really hard as well, right?
   - I haven't been given more than the fact that I've been socially trained. But I've never been given any privileges because of my name. I've never felt that. Maybe that's because I'm naïve, but I don't think so.

L ust och fägring stor" has received quite an amount of awards. Can you enjoy the success and settle down with it for a while?
   - Yes, for twenty minutes.
   Doesn't it feel nerve-racking to start everyday work after that?
   - Yeah, it's a different situation now. From having been young and maybe a little promising, I suddenly have a lot to prove.
   How have you planned to focus again?
   - I do that more or less all the time now. I haven't been able to sleep at all since I came home last time. It's partly because of jetlag, but also because I lie awake worrying about things I'm doing in June. I lay and think about scenes and those kinds of things.
   In the papers you and your dad are presented as a unity. Doesn't that annoy you?
   - No, not anymore. In having those years when we weren't a unity, we were as far from a unity as can be, so I don't care that it's like this now. I think it's pretty nice, actually. We have very fun together. But if we hadn't had those years, we couldn't have made this film.
   Is it entirely healthy to work with your dad and to be friends with him?
   - I really don't know.
   I for one think it seems to be pretty unusual. Most guys I know can't talk to their dads and they don't have the least bit in common. Do you think that the "father and son thing" is important to people?
   - Yes, of course. If you're going to talk violent criminals, sex offenders and that kind of thing, it's documented that it often is about an absent dad. So you can damn well believe that it's important.
   When do you know that you're good and when do you doubt yourself, in your work?
   - I always have doubts, actually. When you're sitting in front of the camera it's about thinking as little as possible. But after the take I think that "what the hell did I do now". And then when you see the result it's the same thing, why didn't I do this and that?
   Does your self-criticism torment you? Is it like a handicap?
   - It's both good and bad. But because I'm very self-critical, I often think that I'm doing too little in my job as an actor. The self-criticism causes me to be afraid of overacting and putting on a show. That in turn leads to me often being afraid of underacting.
   But that's exactly what you've got so much praise for. You can at least admit that! Where do these demands come from?
   - I don't know. I guess it's my parents' fault like everything else. I think that environment is what shapes you to a much greater extent than heredity.
   Are you saying that they wanted you to be something, or have you observed how they are?
   - No, they've never pushed me in any direction so to speak. Which is good. Except for one thing. And that was with the soccer. One day I came home saying that I was going to quit playing soccer. And it was strange to watch my parents' reaction. They couldn't deal with it at all. It was interesting. They were really torn up about it.
   Why, do you think?
   - It wasn't damn now he won't make any Juventus millions that we can live on, it was more of a social story, that thing with going to my games was a big part of their lives.
   What relationships are most important for you at home?
   - That's the relationship with my girlfriend and a best friend. And to the remote control. That probably sounds bloody boring, but that's how it is. If you work a lot then you fill up the social part - this need for hanging around, sitting and drinking beer - in full measure when you're filming. All day it's like a big cocktail party. I like it. You work and then you continue to hang out at nights, especially if you're working away from home. You hang out round the clock and then you sleep for four hours and then you see each other again. Then it's nice to come home to some kind of peace.
   You haven't been spoiled with a nuclear family that you've lived safely with until you were twenty. What are the advantages and downsides to that?
   - Now I can only see the advantages with me leaving home. It was necessary. Everybody has to liberate him or herself. I had to do it quite extremely, but that's the same impulse as with many others.
   Would you try to stop your own child, if you have children one day, from leaving home when he or she is fourteen?
   - Probably. But somewhere you've succeeded if you've raised someone for fourteen years who you then can't stop when he wants to take off. But of course I'd try and get the guy or the girl to stay.
   When you and Bo separated
   - That sounds so funny, like a partnership.
   Wasn't it contradictory to then want to work with film, the thing that Bo did?
   - I didn't want to at the time. But I did do Ebba och Didrik and around that time I moved away from home and decided that I'd never be in front of the camera again. But it wasn't that much the rebellion; it was more that I couldn't stand monkeying about in front of the camera. But then it happened that I started in commercials anyway. That was because I'm so incredibly fond of film.

Johan lying on the bed

   Have you really lived your youth?
   - No I haven't. And that's a problem, it really is. I didn't get drunk for the first time by sitting at a friend's house mixing heeltaps from the parents' different liquor bottles. Later I've been told that there's a name for when you mix the booze together, "the witch". I've never had that. And those teenage crushes you're supposed to have... That's a big problem. I got sloshed on some expensive, white wine the first time, together with older people.
   Do you have any friends your own age?
   - I have none at all. I had one for a while that I very much liked, but I'll be damned if I know where he is. That's the kind of thread I'd like to tie together.

W hat is the biggest difference between the Johan Widerberg who is sitting by the piano singing "I luuuv you" in "Ebba och Didrik" and the Johan who is going to America tomorrow to experience the Oscars?
   - Hmmm.
   To begin with, you look pretty much the same.
   - Yes, I'm pretty much the same all along the line. There has to be something wrong.
   Why does there have to be?
   - I don't know; it feels like it. Then I was thirteen-fourteen and I wanted to be grown-up in a lot of ways and I was too in that I could cope very well socially. Now I don't have the need to be an adult. That thing with shyness and not being able to do stuff in front of a camera it's got a little easier with. Then it was real bloody panic anxiety when I was going to do some things in "Ebba och Didrik". Simply because I was so shy. I sing so poorly and then it's really tough to sing. It was incredibly tough. Now I'd sing badly but think that "oh well, so what".
   It's a good song.
   - Yes, it's a good song, but I couldn't perform it and I felt it.
   A big problem for many people seems to be to live for the moment. Are you good at that?
   - I would like to say that I'm very good at that and for that I'm very grateful. There is no constant happiness, or a constant wellbeing. It's merely about moments of happiness, which can last for maybe a day, if you're lucky. The thing is to live in those moments that are happy and I can absolutely do that. That's the point, that you get to have those moments.
   Are you afraid of getting older? Because that's another sickness in our time.
   - No, not at all. I look forward to looking a little older so that I can play another role than these damn 17-year-old or even younger, wide-eyed boys. That would be really nice.
   Do you want to be more evil on screen?
   - Yes, but everyone wants that. Everyone who plays a certain kind of parts wants to play the other. Those who've cried themselves through a career want to make comedies. Of course it's that way.
   You don't seem to be into young popular culture that's created by people your own age.
   - No, I'm really disgustingly reactionary. Everything was better before.
   You like older guys?
   - Yupp. Really old. They're all dead. No, you're right. In film I have to say that not many people surpass Elia Kazan. He's still alive and one of the stupidest things I've done was when we were at the Berlin festival with our film and he was there to accept a lifetime achievement award. We were there and he was there and we were just so bloody lazy and stupid that we missed it, which is a damn shame. And then I think that we'll get to meet Billy Wilder, who my old man met many years ago in Germany. When we were in Los Angeles Bo called him up and said "now that we're here, couldn't we meet, I'd like my son to meet you". And he liked the idea. So the day after the awards we're going to meet Billy Wilder, and that's just huge. He's one of the truly great.
   Do you and Bo share the same idols?
   - Yes, I think you can say that. When it comes to film. And it's not really a question of indoctrination in that way either, but the old man has good taste. And he's had the good sense to show me the good things, even if I've found out much on my own because of the fact that we parted ways so early. I've watched a lot of films by myself. A lot I've initiated myself into.
   Have you initiated him into something?
   - No, he's difficult. I try. We're both sports idiots, but he's very conservative. I love American sports like basketball and American football, but it's just not possible. "It's just a damn mess", he thinks.
   Who are your favourite actors at the moment?
   - That's easy. Bo and I went to see "Leaving Las Vegas". An incredibly powerful film. So much so that we thought that now we'll quit. And the two, Nicolas Cage and Elisabeth... Elisabeth who comes out of nowhere. It's so incredibly fascinating how it is for her now. During her whole career nothing happens and on the night of the premiere it turns around completely.
   - She's the absolute hottest there is now. Before that she's made crappy films like "Cocktail" and "Adventures in babysitting" and you haven't had any idea of her capacity. And then she ends up in the right circumstances and is positively brilliant. So right now those are the two to beat. And that's a hell of a job. That film and all involved in it has each and everyone in one way or another raised the bar for the rest of us.


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